Here's some things I have to say about music.
First, it's impossible for a mainstream punk band not to "sell out." The first time they get played on the radio, the first time they get TV play, they're no longer underground. Secondly, it's impossible for a punk band, if they're good enough, to avoid selling out forever, without killing themselves a la Sex Pistols or breaking up a la Op Ivy. Thirdly, who really cares? Elitism sucks. You want to debate who's the 'leetest, go become a rapper or a computer hacker, they're almost the same.
Next. All music has value. That thing I mentioned about elitism sucking, I meant it. I love black metal, mopey alt-rock, old school country, hardcore punk, natty ragga, and I can even forgive bubblegum pop if I can dance to it. Don't be so bleedin' conservative.
Finally, skank on, brudders... Us rudies'll get some respect someday... and until then just strap on your Docs and stomp the night away ;b
war is peace
ignorance is strength
cat is not a breakfast food
big brother's not watching you, you're not that important